A mother decided to ‘double-check’ if her daughter had been touched by her swim teacher after hearing more girls had come forward, a court has heard.
A mother told her daughter swim teacher Kyle Daniels had done “bad things to children” before asking if he had ever touched her in a ”bad place”, a court has heard.
“She wanted to know what bad things he had done,” the mother told a jury on Tuesday morning as she recalled the March 2019 conversation.
“I can’t remember what I said to her.”
The girl answered no, the mother said. She repeated it a day or two later after her mother sketched the front and back of a woman and asked again: Did he touch you?
But about 10 minutes later, the court heard, the girl approached her in the kitchen and said, “Mum, something did happen.”
Mr Daniels, 22, is accused of sexually abusing nine girls he taught at Mosman Swim Centre in North Sydney between February 2018 and February 2019.
He has pleaded not guilty to 26 charges.
The girl, now nine, is the seventh to have her evidence played to the trial in the NSW District Court.
Police alleged Mr Daniels put his fingers inside her swimmers and touched the top of her vagina on four occasions as he taught her in a “Platypus” level class in 2018.
The mother agreed she had told her daughter Mr Daniels had done “bad things” and “hurt children” on the basis of news articles about his arrest.
She said tongues were wagging at the school pick-up gates after Mr Daniels was charged in relation to two girls on March 12, 2019.
Her daughter had already told her nothing happened in that first conversation.
But after hearing other girls had come forward, she decided to “double-check”, the mother told the jury via video link.
“I wanted to make sure she was fine,” she said.
The sketches she drew were shown to the court and had “breasts”, “vagina” and “bum” labelled.
The mother recalled asking her daughter what each part was and labelling them together but said it was possible she had labelled them herself.
When her daughter approached her in the kitchen, she said she was “too shy” to talk to her parents about what had happened, the mother said.
She said her daughter told her Mr Daniels would “bunch up” her swimming costume before pushing her off in the “torpedo” position with his hand at the bottom of her costume.
The girl denied ever saying to this to her mother as she was cross-examined by Mr Daniels’ barrister Leslie Nicholls.
She said she understood the word “bunch” to mean “more than one” but did not know of any other meanings.
The girl referred to her swimming teacher as “Kylie” as she gave evidence.
She was asked to look at two sheets of paper, one with “Kyle” written on it and the other with “Kyl” and read them aloud, pronouncing “Kyle” as “Kylie” and “Kyl” as “Kyle”.
She answered “disagree” when Mr Nicholls suggested “Kylie” had never put his fingers or hand into her swimming costume.
In her police interview, the girl talked about a police investigation and cameras in the pool, later saying her mum had told her about them.
The mother said she couldn’t recall telling her daughter about a police investigation and denied ever saying there were cameras in the pool.
Mr Nicholls has told the 12 jurors to look closely at how the allegations were investigated by police.
In particular, he said, they should consider if the girls’ stories were influenced by lead detective Emma Stewart or by the media reporting around Mr Daniels’ arrest.
But prosecutor Karl Prince said there was “no coincidence” around the similar allegations made by each of the nine girls, and the only explanation was that they were telling the truth.
The trial continues.